Legislature(2003 - 2004)

01/29/2004 09:03 AM Senate FIN

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     CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 215(STA) am                                                                                          
     "An Act relating  to art requirements for public  buildings and                                                            
     facilities;    relating    to   identification,    monitoring,                                                             
     maintenance,  and  reporting  of art  in public  buildings  and                                                            
     facilities; and relating to the art in public places fund."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This  was the first  hearing  for this  bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken stated that  this legislation  would amend  the One                                                            
Percent  for  Arts Program  by  limiting  the  one percent  for  art                                                            
requirement to the first  $10 million of State funding of a building                                                            
and assessing  any funds exceeding $10 million at  a one half of one                                                            
percent level.  He informed  the Committee  that a Senate  committee                                                            
substitute  for the bill,  Version 23-LS0605\S,  has been  developed                                                            
for consideration.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BILL  STOLTZE,  sponsor of  the bill,  informed  the                                                            
Committee   that  this  legislation   has  been  supported   by  the                                                            
Legislature  for   many  years;  however,  he  recounted,   previous                                                            
legislation  has been vetoed  by former governors  of the State.  He                                                            
stated  that  his  re-submittal  of this  legislation  is  based  on                                                            
concern  for the  State's fiscal  situation  as opposed  to being  a                                                            
negative  reflection on  the arts.  Furthermore,  he noted that  the                                                            
public  is questioning  the  State's expenditure  of  money on  this                                                            
program; particularly,  he noted when  other needs such funding  for                                                            
school libraries or playground equipment, are going unmet.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stoltze  stated that the original version of the bill                                                            
was  more conservative   in that  it  would have  repealed  the  One                                                            
Percent  for Art Program;  however,  he conveyed  that, as the  bill                                                            
progressed  through the committee  process,  "it turned into  a bill                                                            
reforming the  Percent for Art Program;  ratcheting down  the amount                                                            
of  money, but  maintaining  the program"  as  well  as providing  a                                                            
funding mechanism for maintenance  of the art. He expressed that, in                                                            
addition to receiving wide  support in the House of Representatives,                                                            
the legislation has received  support from art councils and the arts                                                            
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.  Stevens  moved  to  adopt  the  Version  "S"  committee                                                            
substitute as the working document.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green and Senator Dyson objected.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DARWIN PETERSON, staff  to Co-Chair Wilken, explained that there are                                                            
four  major changes  in the  Version  "S" committee  substitute.  He                                                            
noted that  the most important change  is that the Senate  committee                                                            
substitute  increases the one-percent  for art limit to $20  million                                                            
of the  State's  construction  cost as  opposed to  the $10  million                                                            
limit  designated  in the  House bill.  He  stated that  the  second                                                            
change is that  the Senate committee  substitute does not  include a                                                            
residency  requirement as  specified in the  House bill because  the                                                            
State's  legal counsel  has advised  that that  language might  "run                                                            
afoul of the privileges  and immunity's clause in  the United States                                                            
Constitution."  He pointed  out that the  language being omitted  in                                                            
the Senate  committee  substitute  is located  in Section  3 in  the                                                            
House of Representatives'  bill, Version 23-LS0605\I.A that reads as                                                            
follows.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 3. AS 35.27.020(g) is amended to read:                                                                                
          (g) The architect, superintendent, department, and the                                                                
     Alaska  State Council  on the Arts shall  encourage the  use of                                                            
     state  cultural resources in  these art works and shall  to the                                                            
     extent  permitted  by  law, select  [THE  SELECTION  OF  ALASKA                                                            
     RESIDENT]  artists for  the commission  of these art works  who                                                            
     are residents of the state under AS 01.10.055.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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Co-Chair  Green  understood  therefore  that  the  Senate  committee                                                            
substitute  would completely  delete  Section 3 of  the House  bill,                                                            
Version 23-LS0605\I.A.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peterson concurred.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  pointed out that the Legislative  Research Services                                                            
analysis, Report Number  03.204, dated April 30, 2003 [copy on file]                                                            
contains the aforementioned legal opinion.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peterson  continued   that  the  third  change  in  the  Senate                                                            
committee substitute  is that the  previous definition of  buildings                                                            
and  facilities  would be  expanded  to include  all  buildings  and                                                            
facilities in  the State that would be constructed  with State funds                                                            
and be "used for substantial public purpose."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peterson stated that  the fourth item changed is the reversal of                                                            
previous  definition  changes that  expanded construction  costs  to                                                            
exclude such  things as  cost overruns. Furthermore,  he noted  that                                                            
the  Senate  committee  substitute  incorporates  on line  28,  page                                                            
three, Section 5, the word  "revenue bond proceeds" as part of State                                                            
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  referenced the spreadsheet titled  "HB 215 - 1% for                                                            
Art"  [copy on  file] that  his office  has provided  and asked  Mr.                                                            
Peterson to explain the  Senate committee substitute's affect on the                                                            
amount of money that would be reserved for art.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                           HB 215 - 1% for Art                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                              Existing Law                                                                                    
          Portion of State Funding Reserved for Art Works in                                                                    
        Public Buildings and Facilities as per AS 35.27.020(c)                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Total Construction                         Total Reserved                                                                  
     Cost per Building          1%                for Arts                                                                      
     or Facility                                                                                                              
     $ 5 million               $ 50,000              $ 50,000                                                                   
     $10 million               $100,000              $100,000                                                                   
     $15 million               $150,000              $150,000                                                                   
     $20 million               $200,000              $200,000                                                                   
     $25 million               $250,000              $250,000                                                                   
     $30 million               $300,000              $300,000                                                                   
     $40 million               $400,000              $400,000                                                                   
     $60 million               $600,000              $600,000                                                                   
     $80 million               $800,000              $800,000                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                              House Version                                                                                   
          Portion of State Funding Reserved for Art Works in                                                                    
        Public Buildings and Facilities as per CSHB 215(STA)am                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Total Construction     1%         .5%             Total                                                                   
     Cost per Building    (up to      (over           Reserved                                                                  
     or Facility             $10         $10               for                                                                  
                          million)    million)          Arts                                                                  
     $ 5 million          $ 50,000          0             $ 50,000                                                              
     $10 million          $100,000          0             $100,000                                                              
     $15 million          $100,000       $25,000          $125,000                                                              
     $20 million          $100,000       $50,000       $150,000                                                                 
     $25 million          $100,000       $75,000       $175,000                                                                 
     $30 million          $100,000      $100,000       $200,000                                                                 
     $40 million          $100,000      $150,000       $250,000                                                                 
     $60 million          $100,000      $250,000       $350,000                                                                 
     $80 million          $100,000      %350,000       $450,000                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                    Senate Finance Committee Version                                                                          
          Portion of State Funding Reserved for Art Works in                                                                    
       Public Buildings and Facilities as per SCS CSHB 215(FIN)                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      Total Construction     1%         .5%             Total                                                                   
     Cost per Building    (up to      (over           Reserved                                                                  
      or Facility            $20        $20              for                                                                    
                million)    million)          Arts                                                                            
     $ 5 million          $ 50,000          0          $  50,000                                                                
     $10 million          $100,000          0          $100,000                                                                 
     $15 million          $150,000          0          $150,000                                                                 
     $20 million          $200,000          0          $200,000                                                                 
     $25 million          $200,000       $25,000       $225,000                                                                 
     $30 million          $200,000       $50,000       $250,000                                                                 
     $40 million          $200,000      $100,000       $300,000                                                                 
     $60 million          $200,000      $200,000       $400,000                                                                 
     $80 million          $200,000      $300,000       $500,000                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peterson explained  the  three charts  on the  spreadsheet  and                                                            
noted  that,  based  on a  $20  million  State  funded construction                                                             
project, both  the existing law and the Senate committee  substitute                                                            
would reserve  $200,000 for  arts as opposed  to the House  proposal                                                            
which would  reserve $100,000  based on the  one percent  allocation                                                            
being limited  to the first $10 million. However,  he clarified that                                                            
the Senate committee  substitute differs from existing  law in that,                                                            
for anything  exceeding  $20 million,  the reserve  amount would  be                                                            
factored at one half of one percent.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  asked Co-Chair  Green  and Senator  Dyson  whether                                                            
their  objections  pertained  to  any  of  the four  aforementioned                                                             
changes, and if so, he asked that they speak to that point.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green responded  with a  request that  each of the  Senate                                                            
committee  substitute changes  be explained  in terms  of whether  a                                                            
funding increase  or decrease would result as compared  to the House                                                            
version of the bill or to existing law.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peterson  responded  that  the Senate  committee  substitute's                                                             
establishment  of a  $20 million  limit  would result  in  increased                                                            
funding as  compared to the House  version of the bill. However,  he                                                            
stated that  because there is no "ceiling"  in existing law;  and in                                                            
that regard, a funding decrease would result.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peterson  commented  that  the Senate  committee  substitute's                                                             
second change,  which addresses  residency  requirements, would  not                                                            
affect funding.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  noted that the Senate  committee substitute  deletes                                                            
Section  3 of the  House bill,  and she  asked that  the section  be                                                            
explained.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken interjected  that  this information  is located  on                                                            
page two, line 12 of the House bill, Version 23-LS0605\I.A.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 3. AS 35.27.020(g) is amended to read:                                                                                
          (g) The architect, superintendent, department, and the                                                                
     Alaska  State Council  on the Arts shall  encourage the  use of                                                            
     state  cultural resources in  these art works and shall  to the                                                            
     extent  permitted  by  law, select  [THE  SELECTION  OF  ALASKA                                                            
     RESIDENT]  artists for  the commission  of these art works  who                                                            
     are residents of the state under AS 01.10.055.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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Representative  Stoltze identified  the language in question  as the                                                            
"who are residents of the state…" section.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  acknowledged the legal opinion that  this section is                                                            
unconstitutional.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde opined that  because the language reads "to the extent                                                            
permitted by  law," it does not "really  matter" whether  or not the                                                            
language is in the bill.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked the original drafting intent  of this language.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stoltze  surmised that  the original  intent was  to                                                            
support a preference for local Alaska hire.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson agreed that local resident hire is preferred.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  commented that in his experience  of serving on two                                                            
one-percent for  art committees in Fairbanks, local  hire receives a                                                            
preference regardless of whether it is or is not in law.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  asked for cost examples of various  public facilities                                                            
in order to better comprehend the affect of the legislation.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peterson  reiterated that  this  legislation  is "specifically                                                             
tied" to the construction  costs of a project. He  informed that the                                                            
State's share  of the total  $80 million  construction costs  of the                                                            
M/V Kennicott  was  $15 million;  the Food Safety  Laboratory  total                                                            
cost  was approximately  $10  million;  and the  total  cost of  the                                                            
Alaska Psychiatric  Institute (API)  is anticipated to be  less than                                                            
$35 million.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peterson  clarified  even though  the residency  requirement  is                                                            
eliminated  in  the Senate  committee  substitute,  the  words  "the                                                            
Council  shall encourage  Alaska resident  artists" would remain  in                                                            
existing law.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peterson  stated that  the third  change in  the bill, which  is                                                            
located in  Sec. 4, page three, is  that it expands the facility  or                                                            
building  definition.   In  answer  to  Co-Chair  Green's   question                                                            
regarding  how  the  bill  would affect  the  One  Percent  for  Art                                                            
Program, he  shared that this expansion  would provide art  funds to                                                            
State  programs  such  as  the  University  of  Alaska,  the  Alaska                                                            
Aerospace   Development  Corporation,   and   the  Alaska   Railroad                                                            
Corporation, which  were not previously included.  However, he noted                                                            
that Alaska  Aerospace Development  Corporation facilities  might be                                                            
excluded  from forthcoming  committee  substitutes  were it  further                                                            
determined  that their  facilities  are not constructed  with  State                                                            
funds nor are for public use.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  affirmed  that the  Alaska  Aerospace Development                                                             
Corporation  receives very little  State funding and its  facilities                                                            
are not for public  use. Voicing surprise and disagreement  with the                                                            
fact that the  University of Alaska had opted out  of the program in                                                            
the  past,  he commented  that  he  looked forward  to  hearing  the                                                            
University's testimony  in this regard. He noted that the Railroad's                                                            
terminals would benefit from inclusion in the program.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  inquired as to whether,  aside from the mandated  One                                                            
Percent for Art  Program, any other building program  might restrict                                                            
or prohibit monies dedicated for art.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  responded that no  other known restrictions  apply.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde surmised  that  were  there no  One Percent  for  Art                                                            
Program, ten percent, for example, could be dedicated for art.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  concurred,  but clarified  that  this legislation                                                             
could also allow  that to occur as its language specifies  a minimum                                                            
of one percent.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green asked why  this legislation  would apply to  how the                                                            
University  or the Alaska Railroad  Corporation "spend their  money"                                                            
as, she  continued,  there has been  "a long  observed" "hands  off"                                                            
approach  to  these entities  where  other  budgetary  "arenas"  are                                                            
concerned.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken reminded  that the University  was included  in the                                                            
One Percent  for Art program  in the 1990s;  however, he  continued,                                                            
its  Board of  Regents  opted  out of  the  program. He  noted  that                                                            
further  discussion  would  occur  in  regard  to  Co-Chair  Green's                                                            
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked "under  what authority" the University could opt                                                            
out of the program and "circumvent State law."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  responded that the University would  be provided an                                                            
opportunity to address this concern.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  noted that  the  fourth  change contained  in  the                                                            
Senate committee  substitute  is technical  in nature and would  not                                                            
have any monetary affect.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  again asked whether the objection  to the committee                                                            
substitute is maintained.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green and Senator Dyson maintained their objections.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  stated   that  the  motion  to  adopt  the  Senate                                                            
committee substitute would be TABLED for the time being.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SANDY GILLESPIE,  Visual Arts Program Director and  Coordinator, One                                                            
Percent  for  Arts  Program,  Alaska  State  Council  on  the  Arts,                                                            
testified via  teleconference from  an offnet site in Anchorage  and                                                            
stated that the  Council supports the Senate committee  substitute's                                                            
language  that would base  the one  percent funding  for art  on $20                                                            
million  as  opposed  to the  House's  $10  million  maximum  level.                                                            
Furthermore,  she noted that while  the Senate committee  substitute                                                            
would  eliminate  the  residency   language  section  of  the  bill,                                                            
language  "that encourages  the Council  to support  local  artists"                                                            
would remain in the bill.  She noted that the Council does honor the                                                            
local hire  request,  and she noted  that oftentimes,  the level  of                                                            
available  funding  is  insufficient  to provide  for  shipping  and                                                            
travel expenses, and therefore encourages local hire.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Gillespie  stated however, that  both in-state and out-of-state                                                             
artists are solicited  for large projects, and she  opined that this                                                            
process  serves "to  raise the bar"  regarding quality  of work.  In                                                            
addition, she noted that  Alaskan artists benefit from being able to                                                            
respond  to  solicitations   from  other  state's  Percent  for  Art                                                            
Programs. Continuing,  she noted that the Council  would support the                                                            
Legislature's intend in this regard.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Gillespie  acknowledged that while  funding is required  to help                                                            
maintain  existing   art,  facilities  owning  the  artwork   should                                                            
dedicate funds to maintenance and repair.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  noted that the funds  for art maintenance  language                                                            
is  located on  page  two, lines  1-4  of Section  1  of the  Senate                                                            
committee substitute, Version "S," that reads as follows.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          …Of the total amount that is received for works of art                                                                
     for  a building  or facility  under this  subsection, at  least                                                            
     five  percent shall be  deposited in the  art in public  places                                                            
     fund established under  AS 44.27.060 to meet future maintenance                                                            
      needs of art works in public buildings and facilities.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Gillespie  noted that  oftentimes, the  balance of money  in the                                                            
art bank  is low,  and therefore,  she asked  that consideration  be                                                            
given to expanding the  use of the "five percent of the one percent"                                                            
funds  and specifying  that  maintenance  would  be one  of  several                                                            
options.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green asked  for further  clarification  of the  Council's                                                            
request regarding the maintenance funds.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken surmised  that the Council desires the definition of                                                            
maintenance to be further clarified.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Gillespie concurred.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SHALA  DOBSON, Retired  Anchorage  School District  Art Teacher  and                                                            
Artist,  testified via  teleconference  from Anchorage  that,  as an                                                            
artist who participates  in a variety of art programs  including the                                                            
One Percent  for Art State program,  she has yet to meet  anyone who                                                            
is unappreciative  of the  art that is placed  in public  facilities                                                            
such as  schools. In addition,  she noted  that the art provided  by                                                            
the State program is, in  some areas of the State, the only art that                                                            
people  are exposed  to, and  as such,  she stated,  the program  is                                                            
beneficial.  She "commended"  the art maintenance  component  in the                                                            
committee substitute;  however, she  questioned limiting  the amount                                                            
of the project funding  that would be subject to the One Percent for                                                            
Art multiplier.  She argued that a project's level  of art should be                                                            
"to scale" with  the facility rather than being limited  by "a cap."                                                            
She also voiced concern  that correctional institutions, such as the                                                            
Mat-Su  Youth  Correctional  facility,  might  be  exempt  from  the                                                            
program, as she  stated that an environment without  art is not very                                                            
compelling  and that art would be  important to the people  who work                                                            
or are confined there.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  understood  that  the  Mat-Su  Youth  Correctional                                                             
Facility  is a  component of  the Department  of  Health and  Social                                                            
Services and would therefore not be exempt.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOCELYN   YOUNG,  Coordinator,   One   Percent   for  Art   Program,                                                            
Municipality  of  Anchorage,   testified  via  teleconference   from                                                            
Anchorage  and  informed  the Committee  that  the  Municipality  of                                                            
Anchorage's  art program  is based  on State  law. Furthermore,  she                                                            
noted,  it is  important  to recognize  that  the original  law  was                                                            
intended to  be self-regulating in  that it would provide  money for                                                            
art  as  needed.   Continuing,  she   expressed  that  rather   than                                                            
decreasing  the amount of funding  dedicated for art, consideration                                                             
should be given  to the fact that  inflation and other factors  have                                                            
increased  the price of art.  She exampled  that art banners  in the                                                            
Sullivan Arena  that were purchased  in the 1980s for approximately                                                             
$14,000,  would cost  in excess  of $40,000  to  replace today.  She                                                            
stated that while supportive  of most of the language in the Version                                                            
"S" committee  substitute, she is opposed to limiting  the amount of                                                            
money for art  as it would negatively affect public  use facilities.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Young informed the  Committee that during a typical construction                                                            
project, approximately  15 percent of a project's total is allocated                                                            
to a contingency  fund.  She noted therefore,  that specifying  that                                                            
one percent  be set  aside for art  or even reducing  the amount  to                                                            
less  than one  percent would  have minimal  impact  on a  project's                                                            
overall construction or operational budget.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman understood  that the legislation would reduce rather                                                            
than limit or "cap" the amount mandated for art.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  expressed that changing  the amount being  allotted                                                            
from one percent to one  half of one percent might be interpreted as                                                            
"a cap."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman clarified  therefore, that the legislation would not                                                            
limit the amount  of art money but  would rather reduce the  amount.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Young agreed that she is referring to the reduction.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA SHORT,  Coordinator, One Percent for Art Program,  Fairbanks                                                            
North Star  Borough School  District, testified  via teleconference                                                             
from  Fairbanks   and  characterized   the  art  program   as  being                                                            
beneficial to the educational  system as well as to the economy. She                                                            
urged the  Committee to  increase the proposed  maximum one-percent                                                             
for art  level  beyond $20  million in  order to  adequately  supply                                                            
sufficient  art to large public use  facilities such as courthouses                                                             
and other places  where the public might congregate.  She noted that                                                            
while the proposed $20  million limitation would save the State some                                                            
money, "the impact  on the building and on the users  and on the art                                                            
community  in  Alaska   would  not  make  that  amount   of  savings                                                            
worthwhile."  She  opined that  while  the money  could  be used  to                                                            
purchase things  such as computers, the benefits derived  from those                                                            
alternatives  would not equate to  the benefits the public  receives                                                            
from  art. Continuing,  she  asked that  consideration  be given  to                                                            
allocating  the proposed  five percent  of one  percent maintenance                                                             
funds to the entities buying  the art rather than those monies being                                                            
allocated to the Alaska State Council on the Arts.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde calculated  that a  $10 to  $15 million-construction                                                             
project would  reserve $100,000 to  $150,000 for art. In  an attempt                                                            
to better  understand the  trickle down affect  on the economy  that                                                            
results  from commissioning  art from local  artists, Senator  Bunde                                                            
inquired as to an artist's typical profit margin.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Short responded that  typically when soliciting art proposals, a                                                            
budget must be submitted  by a bidding artist, and she stressed that                                                            
serious attention  is provided  to these  proposals. She noted  that                                                            
art materials  and art  fabrication are expensive.  She pointed  out                                                            
that even though the chosen  artist might not be local, local people                                                            
benefit from  assisting in such things  as the installation  process                                                            
or travel  needs. She commented  that it  is difficult to  determine                                                            
exact profit  percentages,  as multiple factors  must be taken  into                                                            
account. Finally,  she noted that,  "in many cases the artist  is so                                                            
happy to be working and  getting paid for their time, that they take                                                            
a fairly low dollar cost per hour fee."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  asked whether expenses  might account for  50 percent                                                            
of the commission.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Short estimated  that expenses amount to at least  75 percent of                                                            
the commission.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #1:  This amendment inserts a new subsection  into Section                                                            
5(1)(B) of CS  HB 215(STA) on page 3, following line  25 as follows.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     (iv) buildings for which the primary purpose is to display or                                                              
     perform art, to train people for the creation or performance                                                               
     of art.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  explained, but did not offer for adoption,  Amendment                                                            
#1.  He  stated  that  his  amendment  would   expand  the  facility                                                            
definition exemption to  include art-related facilities such as "art                                                            
museums, places  where art is displayed or performed,  or for people                                                            
training."  He  asked  that  consideration  be  given  to  providing                                                            
adequate funding for these facilities.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  commented that the  amendment would be considered.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stoltze voiced that  rather than being an  anti-arts                                                            
person, he and his family  have a history of art involvement and art                                                            
appreciation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken ordered the bill HELD in Committee.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                

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